31 May HowTo // 2014 Yamaha TTR125 Carb Swap
If you are reading this post, then you’ve probably found out that the TTR125’s have a major flaw in the choke cable design! And yes, Yamaha STILL hasn’t fixed it!
Stock Carb Problem
The problem stems from the choke cable slide in the carb has an O-ring that becomes corroded, swells up and then the slide seizes. How it’s noticed, is you go to pull the carb plunger at the handlebar and it either won’t engage or disengage… then you end up breaking the plunger assembly. And like most, purchase a new choke cable then try to replace it only to find out the choke slide is stuck… stuck real good!
Solution
Your options are to have the dealer fix it, probably replacing the stock carb or the better solution that fixes the problem forever, is a carb swap! The carb that I’ve chosen for the job is the Mikuni VM24 from Sudco International, Part # MI 001.018 which cost me $120 plus 8.35 for main/pilot jet. This carb has the choke plunger right on the carb, no silly cable!
I contacted Jonathan at Sudco and he knew exactly what I needed for the TTR-125, he even knew the jets that I needed!
On the 2014 TTR-125 it is equipped with a dual throttle cable so this has to be removed and replaced with a 2007 TTR-125 throttle.
2014 TTR-125 Dual Throttle body:
I’ve got the parts list I used below…
Parts List
Carburetor
Mikuni VM24 from Sudco International, Part # MI 001.018
Jets
OEM Parts
- 1B2-F6282-00
- 5L9-F6243-00
- 5X2-2628H-01
- 5X2-26281-00
- 5HP-26311-00
- 5DG-14106-00
- Longer Fuel line (I used some Tusk Fuel Line 1/4″x3′ Black)
You will also need a small E-clip for the single throttle cable modification needed. I got these from AutoZone…
E-clip I used:
Stock Carb(Right) vs Mikuni Carb(Left)
Here you can see the stock choke cable is seized up in the carb…
The Swap!
I’m going to briefly describe the steps I took to swap the carbs, there’s nothing real hard about this but I will point out a few things you should know.
Remove the old carb!
With that out the way, remove the stock throttle body as well. Now is a good time to put some new grips on the bike to. Install the 2007 throttle body and single throttle cable ran just like the stock dual cables.
New Carb!
Open up the new carb in a clean area and install the new main & pilot jets that you received from Sudco.
Twist off the top cap and remove the throttle slide that the needle is attached to. This is where a bit of modification is needed. The throttle guide will not screw into the top cap so we will drill a hole into the cap and use the small E-clip to secure it. I believe the drill bit I used was 9/32″ bit, here’s a photo of the drill bit and the throttle slide & E-clip installed on the top cap. BE SURE TO CLEAN ANY METAL SHAVINGS OFF OF THE CAP!!! Use a file or dremel but do not leave any metal that could fall into the carb!
Installed guide & dust cover:
E-clip installed. Using a pair of needle nose pliers the clip slide on with a bit of force:
Here’s the needle position I’m running.. so far so good!
UPDATE: I’ve had to move the needle to the MIDDLE setting. If your bike tends to cutout, not bog, at low speed/low gear, then move the needle clip up.
Now its time to slide the throttle cable thru the carb top cap & attach the slide/needle…
Install the Mikuni!
Install the carb back on the bike, exactly like the stock carb was installed. Notice the hose clap on the cylinder side, I had to remove the chrome spacer that was on the host clamp so it would secure tighter.
Be sure to level up the carb as good as you can. You will need a longer piece of fuel line to run to this carb as it sits differently AND the fuel intake is NOT slanted nicely like the stock. But this has not caused any issues.
With everything back together… turn on the fuel, turn the key, hit the magic button and BOOM! Mine fired up FIRST TIME!! I had to do a little adjustment on the air screw & idle but not too much. We have ridden 4 hard days of trails on this carb with no issues. I plan on pulling the carb out before the next ride and give it a good cleaning just to be sure no particles/dirt are present.
Final Thoughts
This was a pretty inexpensive & easy mod that not only fixed the dreaded choke cable issue, but also runs a lot better than the stock carb. I’ve removed the air snorkel on the airbox and run a No Toil air filter.
I highly recommend this mod as it has really taken the worry out of this bike and it runs very well. Be sure to jet it right for your elevation and I’m sure you will have the same results. BRAP!
Jim Pollock
Posted at 22:30h, 26 AugustMy son has a 2012 with that same double cable carb. Having similar bogging issue and considering the upgrade, but would like to try adjusting the needle but can’t figure out how to get the slide out with that linkage. Any ideas?
Basher
Posted at 20:58h, 03 SeptemberHey Jim… I never tried adjusting the stock carb needle.. due to the choke issue as well as bogging… I went straight for the swap. It’s been very good, just after the first good ride on the new carb I took the carb off and cleaned it good again, jets and all. I’ve also moved the needle a couple times to find the sweet spot. I’m currently running 3rd notch up from the bottom.
Good luck!
Chris V
Posted at 06:00h, 06 OctoberJim: My son’s 2012 TTR-50 has the same dual throttle cable setup and I can’t figure out how to remove it either. To clean his pilot jet I just left the throttle cables attached and removed the intake, airbox connection, choke & carb heater connections, turned the carb sideways (while still attached to the throttle cables) and then had pretty easy access to the float bowl and jets. I’ve been searching all over unsuccessfully but would REALLY like to know what the correct procedure is for removing the throttle connections.
Vance
Posted at 14:41h, 18 JanuaryAnybody else figure out these stupid double cable carbs. I have a 2019 TTR that is absolutely a bear to start when it’s cold. I was going to go through the entire carb but can’t figure out how to get these stupid things off.
Matthew
Posted at 18:04h, 03 NovemberWhat elevation are you at? I did the VM24 swap and am running a 17.5 pilot. It starts up and idles perfectly. The carb came with a 210 Main which was way too rich and now I’m trying everything from an 85 to a 105 main and the bike seems to cut out past half throttle. 155 Main seems big, but you sound like you’re having good luck with it. I’m at 400 to 700ft above sea level average humidity 30% to 60%. Is that close to your location?
Basher
Posted at 21:43h, 20 NovemberHey Matthew…. I’m at 600′ to 700′.. our property we ride at is 764′ elevataion.. in Missouri so lots of humidity. My boy’s did the same thing until I moved the needle to the middle setting, and now it runs very good. One time I did have to clean the carb out again but so far it’s been very good.. way better than the stock every was!
Sean wilt
Posted at 06:04h, 03 JanuarySo what do you do about the extra lines on the mv24 carb I’m sucking air in the one and the bike is still getting to much fuel and bogs out and my needle is on the top setting I bought it on amazon they said it was ready and did not need to be rejected
Basher
Posted at 09:29h, 26 JanuaryHey Sean… I’d see what jets came with it. It could be they are incorrect for your riding location.. When I spoke with Jonathan from Sudco International, he told me the correct jets I would need. It ran much better once installed but did have to adjust the needle position.. ever since it’s ran very well. Good luck!
TJ Rushing
Posted at 23:17h, 09 JanuaryI have an 09 ttr125 that I am trying to get running. It has the dual cable carb that the choke has ceased up. I ordered a vm24 carb off of amazon for it and a new single cable throttle off of another parts website. My question is, did the carb you ordered for your 14 come with the throttle guide that goes in the top cap? If not, where did you get it?
Basher
Posted at 08:22h, 11 JanuaryIts been so long ago, but I believe it was one of the OEM parts I ordered?! Check out the photos of the parts list and search on the part numbers..
Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful!
Basher
Dave D.
Posted at 13:37h, 01 MayYou can get a Genuine VM24 from Niche Cycle with the needed modifications and jetting.
Chris Creager
Posted at 07:36h, 02 SeptemberChoke cable question… Are there any known part numbers for a conversion from the VM24’s stock pull knob choke to a cable version? I purchased a carb kit from Niche, but the choke knob requires reaching over the exhaust pipe. This is on my wife’s bike, and this portion of the conversion did not please her. I can certainly make my own, but I’d prefer not to reinvent the wheel!
Joel Dolan
Posted at 19:17h, 30 SeptemberThanks, that’s an excellent write-up. I’m thinking of doing the same thing but because of a different issue. My wife’s TT-R 125 will have “rev hang” sometimes. You give it a little gas and the engine won’t go back to idle correctly, eventually it does. Acts like a sticking throttle but I don’t believe it is. I searched for air leaks with no success and cleaned the carb but the problem persists. Gave up, took it to the dealer for a look, they couldn’t pin point it. Do you have any ideas? 🙂
Black ti
Posted at 10:42h, 12 MarchGreat article! I did this swap for my daughters 2014 TTR125 and it worked great! Instead of the Yamaha factory single cable twist throttle I bought a cheap amazon one with cable for $20. (As expected, the twist throttle is crap but it let me try the carb.)
The bike starts and runs like its fuel injected, I didn’t have to change any jets and it COMPLETELY eliminated any bog. The problem is it works too good. I can handle the explosive power, but the bottom end power can be too much for beginners.. I’ll keep this carb, but (sadly) I think I might swap back to a new smaller carb.
Thanks for the info!!